Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Pugsley crew Reviews. Today I have with me Ker 9000. Hello, Kerr.
[00:00:14] Speaker B: Hi.
[00:00:15] Speaker A: How you doing, man?
[00:00:16] Speaker B: I'm all right, chap. How you doing?
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Yeah, doing good, doing good.
Chilling. Been watching the film today, so, you know, it's fresh in my memory. Not that that helps half the time. Like, last time I was like, what do I say about this film again? And I'm hoping it's not going to be the same with this one, but, yeah, I'm doing good. You up to match? Been up to match?
[00:00:39] Speaker B: No, not really.
[00:00:41] Speaker A: The usual.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Played some fortnite, went to Christmas, lights turn on in one town. I'm going to one in another town in a couple of days.
[00:00:49] Speaker A: Nice. Been watching some Doctor Who.
[00:00:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I've been watching all the specials and the colorized Dalek one.
[00:00:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And I did give you advice on a spoiler free review.
[00:01:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: Very short one, but literally a line, but it's good. Go watch it. Done.
I like the bit with the thing I think is what I said.
[00:01:14] Speaker B: That's about all you can say with that one in it. It's one of those episodes where to talk about it, you got to spoil it or there's nothing to say.
[00:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I would agree with that, because there's not really much they could say. You could say the villains are kind of, like, interesting. Why? I cannot tell you. Can't tell you anything other than that, you know, it's a bit yeah.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: I would say there's some stuff in this film which sort of ties back to that last Doctor Who to me, in a way.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: Oh, really?
[00:01:46] Speaker B: Well, it's a case of where you've got an actor playing almost like two sides of one coin, if you know what I mean.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah, I get you.
So before we talk about the actual film, then, let's just people know the film is Legend. Don't know why it's not called Legends unless it's a legend about the Cray twins, which would make sense. That would make more sense than them both being a legend. Yeah, that makes more sense. I'm talking shit called legend because of the Kray twins, and they are legend.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Not to be confused with the old Tom Cruise legend film that's about the devil or whatever. If anyone's wanting to follow this you're talking gangsters.
[00:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
From East End London, I believe.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: That would have made a weird podcast. If one of us had watched the devil film and wanted to watch the.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Gangster film, it would have been it would have been quite interesting. So what do you think of Tom Cruise in this?
[00:02:45] Speaker B: What?
[00:02:47] Speaker A: I think it was Tom Hardy, wasn't it?
[00:02:49] Speaker B: Yes, Tom Hardy.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: A lot of people think you've got the wrong Tom. They PEDs it's actually Tom Hardy in this film. No, I remember Tom Cruise being attacked by the devil, but what, that's what it would have been. Literally. Yeah.
Anyway, the film is basically about the Cray Twins. They were like gangsters from London, and I think they were quite dodgy because they were gangsters from yeah, yeah.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: Probably England's most well known gangsters, especially for their time of day.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah. I think they had links to the mafia and stuff in America and things like that, according to the film, anyway, and I'm assuming they did. I don't know much about the Cray Twins because it's not something that has ever really I know of them and I know they were gangsters and what have you, but I don't know a lot about them because it's not something I've followed.
[00:03:52] Speaker B: I know people have said this film is like 90% accurate, all right? There's some stuff where the timing is off and it's clearly been changed for dramatic effect.
[00:04:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: And also, a lot of people have a problem that he punches his is it wife in the face?
[00:04:12] Speaker A: He might have bloody raped her as well, to be honest.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: Well, possibly. It depends whether you're talking implied or what you actually saw. But you certainly saw he'd give her a shiner. Apparently they never did anything wrong to women.
They beat the living shit out of you. Or if you were a man and break your ribs, smash your face in the link here. But apparently they were quite respectful to women, which a lot of gangsters weren't supposed to be. They were supposed to be an exception to the rule at the time. In that way.
[00:04:41] Speaker A: Well, it was all about treating everyone equally, sir, manhorn or child. You'll get the same kind of beating from me.
No, not actually me. I mean, like gangster me.
Yeah. So, like I said, don't know a lot about him. But the film, I thought, was rather enjoyable. I really did actually enjoy it.
Last time I was watching the we watched the film, it was their not very good one, which I didn't take a lot of notes because I don't know, I was just kind of bored watching it. I didn't find it that entertaining. Whereas this, I actually just got really into it and just enjoyed watching it. And then I forgot anything.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: The Victorian death. Camera one. We watched the guy out of Farscape. Yeah, definitely.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: The step up in it just a bit. Yeah, just a little bit.
But, yeah, I rather enjoyed it. Like I said, well acted. I think Tom Hardy played two good characters which were quite different to each other.
You had the one who was trying to be a bit more trying to be a little more sensible about things, whereas the other one you had who just didn't give a fuck and wanted fucking anarchy, from the looks of things.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I think the one was mentally ill and didn't give a fuck on top of that. And the other one wanted to sort of stay below board, make a lot of money, but make smart decisions and funnel it in ways where he wouldn't get attention. And it's a bit hard doing that, pulling his brother along.
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
And obviously the film at least, obviously I'm not talking about real life, because I haven't got a clue. But in the film, he went to prison.
Tom Hardy won. He went to prison. The names all of a sudden, Reggie and Ronie. Yeah, I think it was Reggie went to prison. And then he come out and ronnie'd fucked over his fucking club. He'd actually been working hard on to get up and running. And then I think he did try and have a change of heart with the gangster stuff.
Reggie, for the francine, or whatever her name was, he called her Frankie. Francis.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: Francis, yeah, that's it.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: My missus just shouted at me. Francis. She got headphones on. Can you hear me speaking? I'm sure you got one on because usually me and the missus will watch the films together. We haven't watched them all together because she was ill for a little bit, so she missed out a couple. But she didn't like that dead still either. She thought it was shit.
[00:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah, that's pretty much what Mama said. Whereas Mama says, love this.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah. I believe my misses like this, too. She said it was good, which is Ray, because for me, when I say to my other half, I say, what do you think of that film? Her response is, 95% of the time, sorry.
Could put the best film made air on and it'd be seriously, maybe. Yeah, it was actually quite good. And that's about as far as you'll get. There's nothing like that was brilliant, that was.
[00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I think us men are more easily impressed by films to go along with the ride a bit easier.
[00:08:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
But with this now, then, like you said, it's meant to be pretty bloody accurate and I rather enjoyed it. I think one of the things I did like was where he goes into prison. The first time that you see him go into prison and he's getting his ass kicked by the guards.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: And then the one of them is like, oh, look at your hero. Look at him begging for water. And he didn't realize he took the cuffs off him and then he handcuffs him to the rail, the prison bars, and then smashes his face.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: I thought that was going to be worse. I thought he was going to hit him and hit him and go really overboard.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: I thought he would have, but it only showed him hit him once and he had a lot more damage done to his face from one hit than all the punches and kicks and hits that reg. Why am I saying the names wrong?
[00:09:29] Speaker B: Reggie took yeah, that was weird, wasn't it? Either that was a heck of a.
[00:09:34] Speaker A: Smack or you did more to him afterwards and you just didn't show her.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah, probably.
[00:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah. But there's a lot of interest in it. Lot of the C word mentioned in there, as know, especially by Reggie. Ronnie. Ronnie. Both of them, really.
[00:09:58] Speaker B: That's another thing that apparently is a bit untrue. You know the way that Ronnie keeps basically saying that he's gay all the time?
[00:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Apparently he kept that a lot more secret in real life. His mum knew, his brother knew, and a few select members of his inner circle knew. But he was worried about letting anyone in general know in case it was, like, used against him.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: Whereas in this, he says it at the drop of a hat. And it's quite funny sometimes how he says it.
[00:10:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:29] Speaker B: They've got that Italian fixer guy that's come over and he's like, we get your pasta, get your booze, get you a girl. He's like no boy.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And then the way he goes into describing people is like yeah. He's on with one of them where he had him fucked up like a pretzel and bent him like a pretzel.
That was funny.
[00:10:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: Bend him up like a pretzel.
[00:10:58] Speaker B: I think you can tell Tom Hardy loved playing this role.
[00:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:02] Speaker B: And why wouldn't you? If you get to play sort of, I say the nice twin, but the nicer twin and then the nutcase one and swapping from one to the other, getting to show sort of everything you can do. Bit of an actor's dream come true, really.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: Yeah. I think he played the parts pretty well.
The characters were quite different in, obviously, the way they were, but the way he voiced that he done his voice, for one, that the speech for them both was quite different. Like, one was more, I guess, ordinary sounding to the other one's more kind of like as if he's speaking through his teeth, even though he wasn't.
[00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah. A gruffer sort of voice.
[00:11:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: And it extends to the way he sort of seemed to carry his body when he was the nutty one. He hunched a bit and he screwed his face up. I think even without the glasses, you'd have known who he was supposed to be at what time, just from his physical presence.
[00:12:06] Speaker A: Yeah, I would agree with that. And obviously when he had a very different kind of walk and stride and that when he was playing Reggie, up straight, walking tidy.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: I was surprised to find out that it was filmed with him going doing so much as one and swapping to the other, and that he was going backwards and forwards all the time. Because I thought, to a degree, you'd have done all the Reggie and then done the Know, got in a separate mindset and done the Ronnie. Apparently he was just ping ponging backwards and forwards, doing a bit, going to makeup, being the other brother, doing a bit.
I wonder if he ever got confused and started just doing the wrong one in the wrong place.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: That would be hilarious.
One of the scenes, man, it made me cringe talking about it. I don't know why. It just popped into my head is when they both fighting in the club.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: And he grabs him by the balls and starts lifting him.
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: Even my miss is like, she haven't got balls. And she's like and I'm like, oh, you don't do that.
[00:13:27] Speaker B: I do like with that that for a good while after that, he's still, like, touching his balls occasionally and like.
[00:13:35] Speaker A: Going, you really sold that.
[00:13:37] Speaker B: It had hurt. And he's like going, oh, you don't touch a man's crown, Jaws.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that was fucking brilliant, that fight scene was, because obviously the gangsters and stuff. But there's not a lot of actual I would say gangstery shit, but never been a gangster. I wouldn't know. But there's not a lot of fighting and murdering going on. There are a couple of deaths, but they very few and far between. There's two maybe, I think.
[00:14:09] Speaker B: Yeah. There's the guy shot in the head.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: And the guy repeatedly stabbed to death, which was fucking brutal.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. That was really took him to town.
[00:14:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
That was fucking crazy. I was like, wow, is he ever going to stop? Because he was going and going and going. It was, like I said, brutal.
More so than a slasher movie. Oh, yeah.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: I mean, you don't even see Jason Voorhees stab somebody that many think, you know, it was just showing. That was the moment where he'd really had enough, where he'd snapped and he'd sort of lost it for them because he always kept himself contained. And that was like, now I've reached a point where that's enough. Shit. I fucked it.
[00:14:59] Speaker A: Yeah, you just snapped in the end. Like lost his ship.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: With his misses committing suicide. And then for some reason, the guy they targeted to kill, who didn't get killed and then just went to the police. It's like, how stupid can you be?
[00:15:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: Make sure he's dead before you do anything. Or don't go after him until you know you can get him. So you would think.
[00:15:37] Speaker B: There'S a lot of people in this film that are familiar from various other places, even if I can't name them all. You're, like, constantly going, I've seen him. He's that guy from I mean, somebody that was in it that I think to a degree was underused was Christopher Eccleston as the detective.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: Yeah, he was great.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: But he's Odly in it really.
[00:16:01] Speaker A: No, he's not. He's in it at the beginning. He's in it, like midway through and then he's in near the end. He's in certain points, but not very much at all. Actually, I did like it when he went to the new club and walked in and they took a photo with him, screwed it so that they dropped the investigation on him. Which is funny. They would do that. You wouldn't think they would, knowing that they were up to dodgy shit like do you know how much the political stuff was?
How much of that was real? Because obviously they had politicians now going into Ronnie's place.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: I know, essentially, that it happened, but I think the timing is a bit different because they're making out that somebody was actually in power at the time, whereas I think it was before they were in power. It happened.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
I think it was labor that were in power in the film, because they mentioned the Tories won like this, and then he showed them one of his MPs and was like, oh, how can I use this against them if my own MPs are there? But I only assume labor, because I've only ever known of labor and Conservatives to be in power.
[00:17:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I think pretty much for our entire lives, and possibly our parents lives. That's been the crack, really.
[00:17:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
Fortunately for being conservative bastard.
[00:17:38] Speaker B: Well, I could do an entire podcast about politics with you and my thoughts about what bastards they are.
[00:17:45] Speaker A: But that'd be getting sidetracked completely.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: Yeah, this is sidetracked. But I can't believe how much old people like the conservatives, because they're one of the groups of people they want to fuck, aren't they? Apparently they're looking at bringing laws in so they can secretly look in their bank accounts to see whether they're embezzling beside their pension and stuff, and you're like, but you keep voting them in.
[00:18:11] Speaker A: Wow.
Disgusting. No, it is disgusting. They really need to look at themselves, look in the mirror, like, around you. Generally speaking, it'll be labor that will be voted.
[00:18:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:25] Speaker A: Because my great grandmother always said to me, never ever vote for Tories.
Never vote for Tories. And then my NAN, she never voted for Tories.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: I think my dad's mostly of the mind of don't vote for any of their bastards. But, yeah, unfortunately, I think sometimes you have to take the path of less evil, and I strongly believe that labor is the far, far less evil.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree completely.
[00:19:01] Speaker B: I'm sure some of them are crooked, but there's crooked and super crooked.
[00:19:05] Speaker A: Yeah. There's going to be dodgy people everywhere. It's just the ratio of dodgy people seems to be majorly skewed in the Tories.
Fuck them.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:18] Speaker A: Anyway, back to the film.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: Unless you.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Want to just turn into fucking Fuck The Tories podcast.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: No. I think I can save fuck the Tories podcast for another day.
Maybe when we do Doctor Who, because I'm sure there's an entire Sylvester McCoy episode that's dedicated to fuck the Tories.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: I think there's been a lot of Doctor Who, there's been a Lord of stuff since the beginning, like the early, early stuff that's like, political and stuff like that.
[00:19:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. It's one of those fallacies that people go, oh, Doctor Who's all woke now. Now, there was coal, minor strike shit and stuff in early days with the.
[00:20:06] Speaker A: Maggoty episode, weren't it?
[00:20:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I think sometimes they're a bit less subtle with it nowadays. I think it slipped under the radar a bit as part of the story, whereas they've lost a bit of the subtlety touch. But it's always been yeah.
[00:20:20] Speaker A: Yeah. I think it's getting to the point where sometimes things need to be smacked on your nose and maybe that's why it's not as subtle as it used to be. Who knows, though?
I certainly don't.
So what do you think of Tom Hardy Ann, in the role of this film? Not generally. I don't know what he's like. I know nothing about him other than he's Bane, I think, as well.
[00:20:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he's bane and he's played Venom.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: He was in venom.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Yeah. I think in general, he's a pretty darn good actor. And I do think this is a good role. Apparently, this role was written for him all right.
The intent was to have him and play both the Craze from the very start, which doesn't happen in films a lot, because usually it's wrote for one guy and then they can't get him. So it's either just another guy plays it or they rewrite it. But this apparently was wrote from him for the start, and I think he knocks it out of the park.
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Yeah, I think he was really good.
[00:21:20] Speaker B: In the can't level a single criticism at him.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: No.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: And I can't really think of any actor in this film where I'm like, they're a bag of shit. Why are they in this? They're dirty in the place up.
I think everybody there's usually at least one nut in a film, isn't there, where you look at them and you go, fucking Ellie's a bit over the top, or what's she on with. But there's nobody in this that bothered me in any way that I thought was bad.
[00:21:48] Speaker A: No.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: Eccleston was only in it a bit, but I thought he was really good.
There was the guy, Jack the Hat, played by Sam Spirul. I might be saying his name wrong. I thought he was great. The lad that's Merlin in the TV show was in it as the Reggie Craze Mrs's brother, and he was good. So I was constantly noticing people and for a minute and going, oh, he's such a straight away, then, getting who they were and liking the job they did.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Do you think the 2 hours was long enough to tell the story of the Cray twins, then? Because obviously there was a lot that was meant to have gone on. But 2 hours isn't a long time. Or do you think it just gets the point across enough to show, like, just how fucking batshit one was compared to the other and all that kind of stuff?
[00:22:42] Speaker B: Yeah, the length is about right, because yeah, it's not a short film at 2 hours and ten minutes, but I think 3 hours and it would have outstayed its welcome. And I think if you cut it to 90 minutes, you wouldn't have got proper into their heads as much.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
I had to pause it halfway through and I was like, oh, okay. We've been watching it for over an hour and there's still an hour left. But that flew by as well.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I miss intermissions. I'd stop every film in the middle of it was up to me in cinemas and everything.
I like going away, having a bag of sweets or a cornetto or whatever and processing it and going, oh, well, this happened and that happened. This is where I think it's going to go and turn into the misses or everywhere and go, what do you think? What do you think is going to happen? How did it play for you so far? I think that's a missed sort of thing with films.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: Yeah. I never really did that. I don't think I can't remember ever doing that in films. Like, obviously, like pantomimes and various other plays and stuff. I've been to mainly pantomimes of having intermission, but I don't think I've been to any with films. And to be fair, I take in a big fucking bag of sweets, like a bag with Lords of different sweets in it, so I don't have to worry about caring up. But the problem with me going to the cinema is when I come out, I feel fucking ill because I eat like a Lord of popcorn and Lords of Sweets and Drink lords of Pop don't do it normally, but when I go to the cinema, I do naughty.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: I mean, back when I was doing it originally, they didn't like you taking stuff in, so it was all inner pockets and the amount of stuff you could smuggle in how many cans, and then you're pouring it all out onto your lap and you're like, shit, there's a lot there. How did I get all of that in?
But last time I went to the cinemas when I was dieting, so that was bizarre. Yeah, because it becomes such a habit that you've got this bag of popcorn and these sweets and several cans of pop and to go in and just have a couple of cans of diet pop. And I think I'd got, like, a little bag of yogurt covered raisins or something. You're just like, this is fucking bizarre.
[00:25:11] Speaker A: Literally, I only ever buy popcorn in the cinema. No, I don't buy drinks. I don't buy sweets. I just buy popcorn and that's it.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: Oh, you need a fucking mortgage if you buy too much of it when you get there.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like we go to The View mostly because it's right by the train station in Cardiff. It's also, like four pound a ticket, so it's great. But it's fairly cheap. And it's also right by the train station. So you get off the train station, go watch film, grab some food, go back to the same train station, go home.
But it's four pound a ticket. Something like 450 a tickets, say a fiver ticket if you go for the better seats, because there's three different tiers of seats, right? Say fiver ticket, that's not too bad. But then you ask for, like, popcorn, that's like another six quid. You ask for a drink, that's another four quid. You ask for something. By the time you if I was to go there, me and my entire family, the six of us, they'll be, say, 30 quid to get in, and then about 90 quid on the sweets and drinks and popcorn. It's like, don't fuck your chance, new.
[00:26:16] Speaker B: It's like I see when films go straight to digital download and they're dead new, and they're like, 18 pound to rent, and you think, that's a fucking lot of money. And I've heard people go, I'd never pay it. And yeah, it's a lot of money. But then you sort of think, well, if you have got a big family, it's not really, is it, to watch it in your own ass? If you got a nice TV, yeah. If there's like six or eight of you, when you've got other people come visit, that's quite cheap. When you break it down to sort of person by person basis.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. I think one of the experiences people will pay more for is the cinema experience because of the big loudspeakers, the fucking humongous TV, the huge screen, compared to in your house, you might have like a 60 inch, 70 inch, which is still massive, but you know what I mean. But I get what you're saying. Between six people, 18 quid is not a lot. If you watch it on your own, you may as well just go to the cinema.
[00:27:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: Especially if you go to the room or Premiere, which I don't know if it's open anymore. Premiere was cheaper. And I'd come for your seats.
[00:27:19] Speaker B: My cheapest one is one called the Savoy near me, and it's about six pound 50.
[00:27:25] Speaker A: Fair enough.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: Cineworld, I think, is ranging on about eleven pound now. So unless the Savoy is not showing it, cineworld doesn't get a look in. There's one, I go to the Arc, which is about in the middle.
The only thing I'll say, I'm lucky I've got a disabled cinema card so I can take somebody in with me and they don't pay. So that helps because that halves it.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: But still a lot of money.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: It's an expensive hobby if you go regularly.
[00:27:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I have to agree with you there. It's a shame, but from the sounds of it, like, the companies who they get the films from take an arm and a leg from the cinemas, so they have to keep up in their prices to pay the freaking or even make a profit. Because so many cinemas have closed now, haven't they? Lords of Shit have closed because of COVID now.
[00:28:16] Speaker B: Really.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: But we're getting enough money.
[00:28:19] Speaker B: I know. Even Cineworld went into financial trouble. I'm not sure how they got out of, you know, new people, put money in or something, because so many things have gone into administration and then been saved.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I should have put a pound in and I could have had some shares in from the world.
Well, we're going to be wrapping up in a second, as we've been going for nearly half an hour. But I would like to hear some thoughts on the film, like sum it up. Your thoughts on the film.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: If you like gangster films, you're going to like it. It is a pure and good gangster film. But also if you like the sort of evil doppelganger films where you've got one actor playing two parts, you'll like it. If you're into true crime stuff, it's not an entirely correct representation of the craze, but I think it's a good starting point. If you want to know about them, watch this film and then read the ways it's wrong and then maybe hit a few documentaries after. But it's a good entry level point to what is a very famous set of brothers and crime family.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's a good summer summation.
I think that's the right word.
Summarization. That's another one, I think. Who knows mean or good with words.
Yeah, I really enjoyed it. My knowledge of the Croix twins is pretty minimal. So watching that and just getting to enjoy it and not thinking of if you know a lot about them, I guess maybe you could be like, oh, well, that's not right. That's all right. And it may have an impact in that regard, but someone who just doesn't know much about them at all. It was just a really fun film, like, yeah, there's some not right language used and some homophobic language, and I think even racist language used at one point.
But while personally my opinion is like, stuff like that isn't really necessary. It's a film set in a time where those kind of things were used by people anyway. So I think that it's right to be used in that sense, you know what I mean?
[00:30:45] Speaker B: Because it's not think you could show the past and gloss over what it was like exactly.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: And I think that's one of the issues with some things. It's like when they remove things, I think instead of removing them, just have a warning because the things are still going to be about. It's just people can understand then what things were like and see how much progress that we made.
It's difficult, I guess, because at the end there, I'm not in the minority of things. No, I can't really judge on how to feel about it. I just have an opinion.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Like, problem is, even if you do hit a minority group, even I mean, I'm autistic and have PTSD and stuff, so I'm classed as disabled. But you only really speak for yourself, don't you? Because I can go, oh, that guy in that. Film was autistic. I thought it was quite real. It didn't offend me. Somebody else might watch it and go, I hate the way he's portrayed. That's a stereotype.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
It's difficult to judge. I don't know.
[00:31:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it's the same if it's something portraying your religion or your skin tone or your gender just because you don't find offensive, somebody else might or vice.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
I agree with that completely. I also found it funny with speaking of not anything offensive, but I was watching I think it was Life on Mars. Oh, yeah.
[00:32:17] Speaker B: Life on Mars.
[00:32:18] Speaker A: I think it was life on Mars. And like, an Indian shop owner was robbed.
I'm sure it was. And he says, oh, I know they weren't from Wales. And they say to how'd you know he's not from Wales? Because they sound like they're from New Delhi or something like that. I know it's someplace in India. Not sure exactly where.
They sound like they're from that area, but Welsh people saying that it's similar to Indian accents, and I was like, I found it funny.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: That is a good show. And that's a show that everyone should watch. It's in the past and it doesn't try and cover up that it's in the past. There's plenty of sort of ideals and stuff from that time shown.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:05] Speaker B: And that's a problem I have with a lot of shows. I mean, going back to Doctor Who, I hate it when they go into the past and it's not reflected. The Doctor traveled back as a woman and people never went, Shut up. You're a woman. I'm not going to listen to you. And you're like, that's the first thing that had happened in that time.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that was the thing. My opinion, when I heard there was going to be a female doctor, was like, I don't see the point in the gender change because I don't think it will change anything. It wasn't I don't believe this. I enjoyed Jordy Whittakey. I've said this. I enjoyed whittakey. I just didn't like the stories much. There were some good ones, like the Rosa Parks episode, but people said, but then they can use it for that kind of thing, like going back in the past, and it'll be more problematic for her to have to deal with these situations. And it turns out that never really happened. And I think that was the disappointing thing. If that had happened, it would have not that they shouldn't have been done. It's fine that it was done. I just think it would have been a lot better for Jodie to have those obstacles. But obviously they went in a very different direction. And Doctor Who was crap for that couple of series. Again, not because of the cast. I enjoyed the cast. I just think the stories were badly written.
[00:34:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I'd have had people calling her a stupid woman and saying she knew no better, and then I'd have had the same people begging her for help once she'd shown she knew everything and turned it around, if you know what I mean.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:31] Speaker B: And you sort of go, well, look, here's this guy that thought women were useless and now he's relying on want to not die, look how the tables have turned, sort of thing.
[00:34:39] Speaker A: Yeah. It wouldn't have to be an everyday every episode, even just like once or twice, to show that the doctor has to have different struggles to previous doctors. Would have been nice to have seen.
Hopefully we get this with this. Is it NKATI or Kati? I'm not sure how you pronounce the.
[00:35:00] Speaker B: Name, but if I'm wrong, is Shooty shooty Gatwa. It's not how it's spelt at all, but yeah, that's what people seem to be saying.
[00:35:12] Speaker A: I had no idea. I've only ever seen his name written down, never actually heard it pronounced.
[00:35:17] Speaker B: I've seen little flashes of him and stuff, but he's not somebody I know a lot about. But I wasn't that keen on Jodie. And again, probably a lot of it being failed by writers, but I loved Peter Capaldi and I think he was failed by the writers, but he was just so good that he could overcome it to a degree.
[00:35:37] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I agree with you completely, though.
[00:35:39] Speaker B: He spammed some gold out of crap, really.
[00:35:43] Speaker A: It just shows the show with Peter Capaldi, you can polish your.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: You know, I'm hoping that Shooty Gatworth is great and I'm hoping that he has the material that he doesn't have to kill himself to show that he's great, if that makes sense.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree there.
I think that is going to be us wrapping up. Is there any particular quote from the film you would like me to add to the end of the episode?
[00:36:16] Speaker B: I love and it's a basic quote, and it's Francis the lady, she says, a cup of tea can solve anything. Bit under the weather. Tea left your husband tea is the.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: Answer, because it's so British.
Yeah, I get you. There you go. We've got the correct quote.
Would you recommend the film? I know we've gone over this, but yes.
[00:36:42] Speaker B: No, yeah, definitely. Strongly recommend it.
[00:36:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it's on Netflix at the moment in the UK. I don't know about anywhere else, but I did notice when the titles are coming up, it did say Amazon Prime Video in the credits, the beginning credits, I was like, Wait, what Amazon?
[00:36:58] Speaker B: I think it's on prime for about 250 or 350 rental, which seems weird when they're part responsible for it.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Daft. Well, I will be back with likely with Kerr. Kerr has only missed one episode so far. Likely with Kerr for the next episode. I will see if we can get someone else on as well to pick a film in a fortnight. I will also be back in a week to discuss a video game, which I still haven't actually talked to anyone about. I need to get on top of this bloody asking people stuff. Anyway, I will say goodbye now. Thank you for everyone who has listened. It's been a great pleasure as always. Bye bye. Bye.
[00:37:51] Speaker B: A cup of tea can solve anything.
A bit under the other t you've left your husband t's the answer.
