The Owners

[00:00:06] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to the Pugsley Crew Reviews podcast where we discuss all manner of films, whether they good or bad. We fucking give them a chance. Film we talked about today is called the owners, which was picked by the very regular guest. He's more than a guest. He's pretty much a co host, really. How are you doing, Kurt? [00:00:29] Speaker B: Oh, not bad at all. How are you? [00:00:31] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm doing well. How did you find the film? No, how did you find the film? Sorry, why did you pick the film is what I meant to ask. [00:00:42] Speaker B: Well, very easy. And the whole answer is Sylvester McCoy. I absolutely love the guy as Doctor who, particularly in the later episodes of his. And I also like him as Radagasta Brown in the Hobbit. And I've met him, so I was like. He was the sole reason. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Yeah, fair enough. I've never met Sylvester McCoy. I haven't watched a lot of doctor who with him in there. I've seen some of it, but not a lot. Like, I've seen more of doctors one to five than I have up to. Pete Davidson was Doctor, wasn't. [00:01:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah. So like Colin Baker, Esther McCoy, I haven't seen that many episodes of. [00:01:36] Speaker B: So I really like both of them, unfortunately, both of them really had certain people at the BBSC ruining it for, you know, budgets caught, messed around. Sylvester McCoy, his first season is played as in being a very clowny Patrick trout and s doctor. But then he gets darker, and when he gets darker, he's brilliant. [00:02:10] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see that. He'd play a good evil type from this film. [00:02:19] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, this is pure. But in this again, he starts off seeming quite clutchy, lovable. And then it ramps up, doesn't it? Yeah, he's a nutter. [00:02:32] Speaker A: Yeah. To put it as blunt as possible. Crazy. Basically, the owners is a film about a group of young adults, I would say maybe late teens, early 20s or something. I don't know. I think. I'm sure at one point they do mention one of their ages of being like 25, 23 might be wrong. [00:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds right. [00:02:58] Speaker A: But basically three guys are going to break into this doctor's house. Funny, because doctor and doctor who. Yeah. So they're going to break into his house, him and his and wife's house to get lots and lots of money because they know there's a safe, which is meant to be a digital safe. But when they find a safe, it's an old analog turn the fucking dial safe. So I am wondering, is there more than one safe? Because the mother said to the son, the mother is a cleaner there, so she would have seen the safe. Did she see a different safe? And the doctor and his wife know about, like, obviously analog safe is very different. Doesn't have what you think in there compared to maybe they have another safe, which is what the woman, the mother saw. That's what I'm thinking. Maybe there's another safe with the actual belongings in. [00:04:05] Speaker B: Yeah, very well could be. [00:04:07] Speaker A: Because it would make sense for her to say it's a digital safe. With digital stuff, you'd think that it would be somewhere else. Maybe. Or maybe she was just wrong. Yeah. [00:04:19] Speaker B: I mean, either way, it seems to be a decent sized house, so it's not impossible to think there was another safe. [00:04:26] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's these three guys that are going to break into this house. Then one of the wives, one of the guy's girlfriends turns up and she's like, I need my fucking car back. You took my fucking car. I told you I got fucking work. And she's like, oh. He's like, I'll be 20 minutes and you can have a car. And she was already half hour late for work. And she texted someone saying, phoned someone and said, I'll be an hour and I'll be sorted. And then it looked like it was quite early in the day. And then by the time she stood outside waiting while I've brought into this house, it's fucking pitch black. She must have been sat there waiting hours, literally 10 hours just waiting there. [00:05:17] Speaker B: Very patient, considering. Yeah, sure she's moaning, but I think I'd have been kicking off after ten minutes. [00:05:25] Speaker A: Yeah, she would have been better off driving on her, riding her bike to work than waiting that for a car. But they break into the house. They break into the house, the guys, and they find a safe. They realize it's an old school safe. They don't know how to crack the old school safe. The one guy's like, yeah, I could do with it if it was a digital one like you told me it was. I can't use any of this stuff on this old safe. We'll have to wait for the owners to come back and get a cord from them. So girlfriend, I think her name is Mary. Mary is hanging around outside and then she took the horn screaming her boyfriend's name. And then he goes, oh, come in here and have a look at this. It'd be five minutes. And then for some reason she goes in the house. And then after a couple of minutes of being in the house, the owners return. And this is where things start to get pretty messed up already. Like the one guy, the guy in the back of the car, the lanky one, as I call him. He seemed like a massive knobhead from the start. [00:06:34] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [00:06:36] Speaker A: Boyfriend didn't seem like much better. And the other guy, the fat one, as they call him. Harry. [00:06:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he's just a coward, really. [00:06:47] Speaker A: Yeah. He's a bit of a baby like. [00:06:50] Speaker B: But the actor that plays the knob, well, the biggest knob, Ed one, Jake Curran. Oh, he did a great job. Yeah, I wanted to throttle him. You were just literally going, somebody hit him. Somebody just clock him. He's an absolute piece of shit. And I could feel, like, that desire for someone to mounting up in me. [00:07:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see why. He was a fucking cock. Treated everyone like shit. Very big man. Kind of, I'll do what I want, you listen to what I fucking say. Yeah, kind of shit. But after they come back, it's kind of where things go awry. They all put on stockings so they cover their faces. Even Mary, even though she doesn't really want to be involved in any of this stuff. And they kidnap the doctor and his wife, take him to the basement, which is where the safe is. And after a big conversation, the boyfriend threatens to cut off the finger of the doctor's wife, being like, you tell us the name of the safe and I'll cut a finger off. He clearly doesn't want to do it because he's very unhappy. [00:08:13] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:08:14] Speaker A: While this is happening, the lanky guy decides to whip out a gun. Knows where he got a gun from, but he had a gun and he's like, cut a fucking finger off kind of thing. And then the boyfriend decides, instead of starts to cut into the finger and then turns around and cuts the other, the lanky guy's arm. And it's like, okay, this is going very different how I imagined it because none of them are on the same wavelength at all. [00:08:53] Speaker B: No. And I think really, the doctor's talked to them, hasn't he? And he's kind of tried to sow some seeds and get people on different pages because he can tell that they are. He can see that schism in them. And that one's the coward, one's really bad, one's kind of just misled, and they just feed the little things in there. [00:09:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:20] Speaker B: But then you also start thinking, well, the doctor's not quite right in his head because whatever's in that safe can't be that important. And yet he's almost willing to let horrible things happen to his wife. And she's pretty much willing to let them happen as well. They're like saying, we'll cut it, we'll chop her. And she's like going, don't tell him. So you're very on edge, thinking this is all weird. [00:09:43] Speaker A: Yeah. You're like, what the fuck is so valuable in that safe? You might know, might not. But obviously they fight, the two guys, and they stand to fight and one of them gets stabbed. The boyfriend, I forgot his name. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Terrible. [00:10:10] Speaker A: Nathan. [00:10:11] Speaker B: Nathan, yeah. [00:10:12] Speaker A: He gets stabbed. So he gets stabbed with the Stanley knife and he's on the dying. He doesn't do that, but I wanted to do that. And then Mary manages to get free, but you sort of get free because she's been tied up, because while all this arguing is going on, she walks off and it looks like she tries to phone the police. And the zanky guy goes off. And Geza brings her back, has her tied up, makes her sit on the floor, like under the stairs of the basement kind of thing. And then obviously the fight breaks out. So she's sitting there, obviously her arms are sort of free. They still get bound, but they're not behind her, so she's able to use them. And the guy is threatening to start cutting up the wife with like a disc cutter. And he plugs it in, starts going towards the disc cutter to cut her, I think. A face, I think. [00:11:25] Speaker B: I think so, yeah. [00:11:26] Speaker A: And the cord isn't long enough. And he's like, oh, the fucking electrics in this kind of thing. I genuinely laugh at that. I was like, fuck sake. [00:11:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I like that. [00:11:41] Speaker A: It's such a dire situation. It's like we're popping this little joke here about the fucking cable being too short or the plug being too far away. So he unplugs the disc cutter, plugs it into another socket closer by. As he gets close to the woman, Mary smashes him around her head with a hammer. He falls on the floor, having some kind of weird muscle spasms as he's dying on the floor. [00:12:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:12:13] Speaker A: And then they free the doctor and his wife. And this is the thing I don't get. Mary didn't really want to be involved in it. She did everything she could to help the doctor and his wife. She tried getting the phone in the think. Uh, she freed them. She killed the guy who was going to hurt them. And yet the doctor and his wife still fucking, like clearly killed Nathan or left him to die, even though he said, oh, you'd be fine, I'll sort him out. And then all of a sudden he's dead. Because after freeing him, they try and take Nathan to his. They take him to his office, the doctor's office, to fix him up and doesn't. And I don't even think he tried, really? [00:13:07] Speaker B: No, it doesn't seem like it, does it? [00:13:09] Speaker A: No. So when that's happening, obviously Mary's getting very suspicious of things. She's like, yeah, something's not right here. And to be fair, she is right. Something isn't right. But you've got a thing of then, like, the wife seems to have lost it, clearly. [00:13:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:34] Speaker A: I think they had a child who seemed. When you saw a picture of her, she seemed to have some sort of disability. But then they said she went missing. So I think maybe that messed up the wife, her daughter going missing. Maybe that's why she was the way she was. [00:13:53] Speaker B: Maybe with a bit of dementia thrown in. Because she does seem to flip on and off, if that makes sense. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah, she does. But you can clearly see that they are fucking dodgy. And the thing is, he knows who they are. He speaks to them by name, even while they're wearing their face masks, the stalkings, to cover their faces. And he speaks up like, I was your doctor. I've treated you your entire lives. So for him to be the way he is with them, it's like, wow. [00:14:35] Speaker B: It's like a double bluff, isn't it? Because you start watching it and you think these youngsters are the monsters and they're terrorizing this old couple, and then it flips and the old couple are terrorizing them. [00:14:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:50] Speaker B: Very twilight zone esque for me. [00:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I guess the thing with this is, I assume, the reason why we skip to the end. Right at the end, it shows that they've been kidnapping girls to have them as a new daughter, to take the place of their original daughter. So I'm assuming they were trying to fuck with Mary, to maybe have her as one, but at the end they decide they don't want her because she's too much of a handful, I think. [00:15:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:28] Speaker A: But I think maybe that's why. But if it wasn't for her, they probably would have been dead. That's the shocker thing about her. [00:15:38] Speaker B: Well, I suppose, though, that they don't want. If the police were caught, they'd come and possibly poke around the house and find out what they'd been going to. So I suppose really killing them is cleanup, isn't it? [00:15:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a good point, actually. [00:15:55] Speaker B: But it does make you wonder, how many replacement daughters have there been? How long do they keep them. [00:16:01] Speaker A: Well, when they sit around having the dinner table and she's like, oh, let's all have a cup of tea, kind of thing. The doctor and they wife. We'll have some tea. And she does say that the wife has been keeping book of all the missing girls and there's like four or five at least. [00:16:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:23] Speaker A: I'm thinking maybe they're the girls who took her place. And the last girl was Mary's twin sister, which I think was like Jane. [00:16:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Who'd been in some form of relationship with the tubby lad. Terry hadn't. [00:16:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And he seems a bit weird. He's like trying to get her on with Mary and I think it's just because she's an identical twin to Jane, because at one point he seems to have lost in. He's like, oh, we'll be together, Jane, and he's calling her by the other name. So I think he fucking lost it by the fucking. [00:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:03] Speaker A: Like three quarters, way through the film, he'd completely fucking gone bananas. To be fair, there's not a very big cast and it's still quite a gruesome film at times like you'd expect to be, oh, maybe more deaths and stuff happening. Yeah. [00:17:27] Speaker B: I was going to say the death count is low, isn't it? But then again, the trauma count, creepy shit counts pretty high. [00:17:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I liked it with the. As the film progresses, it's basically. That was his name, Terry. He's kind of, ah, everything's going to be fine. [00:17:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:53] Speaker A: Mary's freaking out constantly because, you know, shit's going wrong and the doctor and his wife are kind of like, you don't know exactly what's going on with them until right at the end, I guess. But you can see that they've got something going on. You just got to kind of work out what it is or just find out what it is, which you do. But I did find it funny at certain points. Like when the wife gives an injection into the guy's ass, Terry's ass, and then she kisses him on the bun. [00:18:36] Speaker B: Yeah, there's some weird stuff in it. [00:18:39] Speaker A: Why is he kissing his ass? Oh, there's a good boat. [00:18:49] Speaker B: Did you notice the weird thing? It's about an hour and a quarter in where the aspect ratio of the film just changed. [00:18:57] Speaker A: Yeah. I genuinely thought something was wrong with the film. It was after I was watching it and I thought, oh, something may have happened for making look like this, but I thought, or maybe my film's dodgy or something. So I rewound a little bit to see if something happened. But I noticed he looks through a keyhole and after he looks through the keyhole to see the dead guy, the screen changes. So I have no idea why. [00:19:31] Speaker B: No, because at first I just thought it was a keyhole thing and it'd go back to not. And it was just can't see any real reason for. It was weird. [00:19:40] Speaker A: I don't know. Unless he was trying to convey a sense of, I don't know, claustrophobia. Like a claustrophobic feeling or maybe, I don't know, some sort of thing with a guy. Because it mainly follows a Terry. When that happens, then it goes on to that Mary again, because you see that he sees that. That Nathan is dead. And then after that, the wife is saying to the doctor, oh, we need to punish her, like now. And he's, no, no, we'll do it later. We'll punish her later. And she's like, no, we'll do it now. So they're running around the house with gas masks on. Gas in the house with some sort of smoke grenades. [00:20:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:26] Speaker A: And I thought it was hilarious. Like, she keeps running past her and whipping her with something. The old woman kept doing that to Mary. And then eventually she just throws a fucking vase and manages to smack the woman over. I thought that was fucking brilliant. And then she takes the mask, takes her into the kitchen, ties her up and then smacks her on the face, saying, like, where's the keys? Or something like that. And her teeth fling out and then she just starts laughing. Enough. The doctor's wife starts laughing in the face of Mary and it's just like, she is fucking nuts. [00:21:09] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. She does an amazing job of coming across as a complete loon. [00:21:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it is really good. Like Sylvester McCoy, you can comes across as nuts, becomes across as much more calculated in it, whereas she just seems fucking nuts. Like proper lost her shit. [00:21:33] Speaker B: He seems to be wanting to keep her happy and safe and he's willing to do any lunatic thing to do it. [00:21:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:42] Speaker B: Whereas she just seems fucking nuts. [00:21:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:46] Speaker B: You think if he'd have been with somebody more normal, he wouldn't have been doing that shit? But she's a lunatic. She'd have been doing that regardless of him. [00:21:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess that's the trauma of who's in her daughter that did that to her. Or maybe she was already like it because we don't know, do we? [00:22:07] Speaker B: No. Did you notice the VHS that they were playing? [00:22:14] Speaker A: I did. I didn't know what the hell it was. I was like, why is it like. [00:22:17] Speaker B: You don't know Pipkins? [00:22:20] Speaker A: No. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Pipkins is like the low rent 1970s british hyper depressive Sesame Street. I remember one of the puppets on Pipkins went into a big thing, asking the people in it, why do we have to die? [00:22:37] Speaker A: Why can't we just go home forever and ever? [00:22:39] Speaker B: It's a weird show. It's nightmare. [00:22:44] Speaker A: Like when it come on, I was like, why is this some kind of weird rabbit y thing playing a piano? [00:22:50] Speaker B: All the puppets in Pipkins look like if you got Sesame street characters, painted them gray and threw them in a dirty shed for about ten years, and then pulled them out and made a TV show, I'm guessing it's not. [00:23:02] Speaker A: Is it for kids? [00:23:04] Speaker B: Yeah, it's for kids, but it's fucked up. The 70s were a weird place. [00:23:09] Speaker A: I was born in the early eighty s. I was born in the early. [00:23:13] Speaker B: Eighty s. I only know of Pipkins because I've got two older brothers. You learn a lot of things. They stick things of theirs on. [00:23:22] Speaker A: Yeah. I had no idea what that was. Very OD. I'll have to have a look into that. This is crazy. [00:23:32] Speaker B: I've only got limited memories, but what I remember of it is dark and dire. I think it was. I wouldn't want to raise a kid on it now. [00:23:42] Speaker A: Well, my kids are all going to watch it now. They wouldn't watch it. They too old? No. I didn't know warrior was. I just thought it was something for that film. [00:24:02] Speaker B: It definitely sounds like you enjoyed it, though. [00:24:04] Speaker A: I did enjoy the film, actually. I thought it was really entertaining. It was a very strange film, but I did enjoy it. I thought Sylvester McCoy was great in there. Maisie Williams was as well as was crazy lady. She really played her part well. [00:24:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, Maisie Williams is another doctor who actor, isn't she? Because she was in the Peter Capaldi episodes, as is it isldor or something like that. Shield or that's it. Also Game of Thrones. [00:24:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm not a Game of Thrones fan. Game of Thrones fan to be. [00:24:44] Speaker B: I saw some of the first season, and the only thing I really liked. What's his name? The little guy actor. [00:24:53] Speaker A: Oh, I got his name all of a sudden. It was in that. [00:24:58] Speaker B: Adam Sandler pixels. [00:25:00] Speaker A: Yeah. That's a fucking old Dinklage. Peter Dinklage. Yeah. [00:25:12] Speaker B: Peter Dinklage. That's it. [00:25:14] Speaker A: I was thinking Peter something, but I was thinking Peter Weiler, which I'm pretty sure is fucking. [00:25:20] Speaker B: There's a thing in Game of Thrones where he's captured and they ask him, how do you want to die? And he says something on the lines of, at the age, at 90, with a horse mouth around my cock or so. And I remember walking in when my dad was watching that, hearing that and just pissing myself. I was like, that's going to be one of the greatest lines ever in TV. [00:25:40] Speaker A: Yeah. I watched the entire first season of Game of Thrones and I thought, I'll give it a chance because everyone's fucking raving about it. I watched the first season of it. I thought the only good thing about it is the tits. Stop watching it. I can look at tits on the Internet. I don't need to watch Game of Thrones again. I get why people like it, but it's just not my thing. To be fair, I don't get a love for. Yeah. Um, Maisie Williams was in Doctor Wizardry with Capaldi and she somehow ended up immortal or something. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:23] Speaker A: She wasn't immortal in this. No. I wasn't expecting the ending to have the twist they had. I kind of suspected there was something up with the safe on that. And I was thinking we showed the missing girls something was up with them and the missing girls, but I didn't expect Terry shoot Macy Williams in the back. No. That come out of nowhere for me. Spoilers, by the way. But that threw it because she was literally about to escape. She sees the people like the doctor and his wife standing in front of the van where she's about to drive off and you can clearly see she's just going to run him the fuck over and drive off. But that doesn't happen because someone's mean. But the reason why he done it is because he was obviously told about the twin and he wanted to see the twin. [00:27:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:32] Speaker A: But what did you think of the film in the end, then, overall? [00:27:37] Speaker B: Oh, I really enjoyed it. Talking eight out of ten territory for me. But again, a lot of that is down to absolutely loving Sylvester McCoy. And he does a great job in this. Anyone who likes him, just watch this film, even if just for him. [00:27:57] Speaker A: Yeah, he's very good in it. I couldn't say a bad word about him in it. He plays a very OD fellow, as you can see. He's not quite right, but he seems to be more composed, calmer, clever, whereas, like I said, his wife is just balls to the wall nuts. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. If I ever got the opportunity to meet Sylvester McCoy again, I would definitely ask him some stuff about this film, if he enjoyed filming, know how he approached the role, because. [00:28:42] Speaker A: I suppose it. [00:28:42] Speaker B: Make a change from everyone asking him about Doctor who or Radagast. [00:28:46] Speaker A: Yeah, it probably would, actually. Obviously, Doctor who's most likely the thing that people about. [00:28:57] Speaker B: Whenever I've met anyone famous at conventions or anything, I always try to think outside the box to mention a film or a series that I don't think everyone will mention because I think they must get bored of going, oh, you were the doctor. Oh, you were the doctor. Whatever. [00:29:14] Speaker A: Yeah, I get it. [00:29:15] Speaker B: And I just think it gives you the chance to get a bit of unique spark out of them because they probably turn into autopilot when talking about the same thing all day. [00:29:28] Speaker A: Yeah, you'd think so. Would be a shame, really. I don't know. Would they be bored of talking about the same things? Because you'd expect some things come up that different. Then again, it's been how many fucking years since he was in doctor who? And if he's been going to conventions and stuff since then, I don't think there's anything new that anyone will ask. [00:29:52] Speaker B: Possibly not. I mean, he was a super nice guy when I met him. Proper, real people person. Really funny. So even if he was bored, then clearly he's top Gen, who can hide it, because even, like, the people before and after me, you never saw him like, oh, God, he was on it all day, laughing, joking anecdotes. [00:30:21] Speaker A: I wonder if anyone have asked him what his thoughts were about the way he went out of doctor. Kind of as we talked about him, he were mad. It was kind of a lackluster death. [00:30:32] Speaker B: Yeah, compared to some of them had died and just getting shots. A bit tame, isn't it? [00:30:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Any last words on the owners before we end? [00:30:50] Speaker B: No, just it's well worth checking out. It's a good film and I'd heartily recommend it to anyone remain interested in either horror or Sylvester McCoy or even Maisie Williams. [00:31:03] Speaker A: I second your sentiments. I saw that when it started it was based on a comic, so I wonder how that is. Wonder how true to the. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I think, isn't it a french comic or something? It looked like I might be wrong. [00:31:18] Speaker A: French comic. Because what looked to me, my untrained eye, like a french comic because it looked like french words. Who knows? I think that will be us, then. Thanks again for taking part. We will be back soon with. We're going to talk about Barbie next time, so take care. Thank you and bye bye. Bye. Wait a minute. What are you doing? No, please don'tie. Her. I beg you, don't tie her. Too late, darling. Hell, don't worry. Just don't worry. No. Please. No. Please. Helen, don't worry. No, you can't. Please. No. Please, no. That's the way, Helen. Fuck sake. [00:32:44] Speaker B: So did your electric scramb. [00:32:47] Speaker A: Fucking criminal. It's.