Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Foreign.
[00:00:06] Speaker A: Welcome to Pugsley Crew Reviews Podcast where we talk about all manner of films, whether they're good, bad or anything in between. We'll give them a watch and give your honest opinions.
Today we are joined by Cool 9000.
[00:00:20] Speaker B: Hello.
[00:00:21] Speaker A: And how are you doing, dude?
[00:00:23] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty good, thanks. How are you?
[00:00:25] Speaker A: Yeah, not bad, not bad. Bit of a headache, but otherwise I'm doing pretty well.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: Good.
[00:00:34] Speaker A: Read up too much recently. Watched any films other than Jack Frost 2?
[00:00:39] Speaker B: No, not really. I don't think I've watched many films.
[00:00:43] Speaker A: Unusual.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Trying to think me and the missus went to see Back to the Future, the Cinema, for its 40th anniversary and I'm sure there's something else we went and saw in the cinema that.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: What was it?
[00:00:59] Speaker A: Jaws.
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Well, now the next thing I'm looking at is we might go and see Muppet Christmas Carol in the cinema.
[00:01:05] Speaker A: Oh, that'd be cool.
Cinema.
Be interesting to see one of our.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: Like, semi local cinemas.
It's doing a thing with various Christmas films where it's like five pound for a ticket. So, you know.
I know, yeah, it's pretty cool for stuff that either you just missed because you weren't into it at the time, or it was like.
Like when I saw Gremlins, for example, I was too young to have seen that in the cinema and I'd seen it growing up on video and, you know, thought, oh, I can like, get back what I missed by going and seeing it.
[00:01:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd like to go see a few films in cinema that I had not seen in cinema but had seen on like VHS or DVD or terrestrial tv.
[00:01:56] Speaker B: It's like, bizarrely, the only Star wars film I've never seen in cinema is the Phantom Menace.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: You seen them all in cinema otherwise.
[00:02:04] Speaker B: All apart from Phantom Menace. And it's because at the time Phantom Menace came out, I'd broke my leg. I bit it by a car and it shattered my leg and I couldn't lovely physically go. So I watched it on a really dodgy pirate and it was ages till I saw it in, you know, decent quality.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:02:27] Speaker A: Well, today we're going to be talking about a film called Jack Frost 2. We did watch Jack Frost last year, I think it was.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:37] Speaker A: And.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: I remember finding it quite funny, if I remember correctly. But frost 2 I think is like, at least to me it seems like a lower, lower budget film for a start.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think it's as good as the first one.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: No.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: It. I don't know, it feels to me like there's too many ideas and that I don't pick a central one.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I can go.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: Because it's trying to be like the first Jack Frost where there's the killer mutant snowman.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: But then it starts introducing the baby killer snowman and then it's sort of trying to be a gremlins critters rip off.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree with that.
[00:03:29] Speaker B: I think in some ways it should have picked a lane.
[00:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Maybe introduced, done it earlier and killed off Jack Frost sooner maybe. And then had the little snowballs be the problem throughout. Instead of Jack Frost is killing people, then suddenly a snowball happens, like most the way through the film. Then you have 10 minutes of snowballs murder and stuff. And then he goes back to Jack Frost murdering, trying to murder stuff. It just seems a bit.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: I, I will be honest. I like, I. I didn't particularly find this really enjoyable anyway, but like, there were certain points that did make me laugh.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: But by the time it came round to.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: The snowballs, I was kind of like, yeah, I'm getting really bored now.
[00:04:22] Speaker B: It's not a long film, but it still felt 15 minutes too long.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. It's literally an hour and 33 minutes according to.
In that movie database.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: I mean, a spoiler if anybody's not seen it here. If you want to watch it and not get it spoiled, like, skip past this bit or something, but just.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: Just pause it, Watch it come back.
[00:04:45] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. But they had a bit when they actually shoot him with the antifreeze or whatever, knock him into the pool thing. They've filled up. That's it.
[00:04:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: That felt like that should have just been the end.
[00:04:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it did. But the tea, or ever the hell he had, made him immune to antifreeze. I dong error.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: Oh, I can explain that.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: It's a bit of a crappy explanation, but it's not the tea.
You know when the sheriff guy sort of. Well, was the main character in the first one.
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:18] Speaker B: He got cut and bled into the Jack Frost thing in the first one. Well, apparently it's got his DNA in it.
[00:05:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But you still think the snow would melt from it.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: But yeah, apparently that's why the antifreeze doesn't melt it. But why banana daiquiris do? Because he's allergic to bananas.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: But then that annoyed me. Because he's allergic to bananas. But he jumps into the melted body of Jack Frost, basically swimming in snow and banana juice to check his wife's alive and doesn't even get a itch or complain or.
So he's allergic Enough to bananas that his DNA causes them to explode.
And it doesn't bother him.
[00:06:09] Speaker A: Yeah. He has a mild allergy. They have a major allergy.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: The only explanation, I mean, it's strange.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Picking the logic to a crazy film to that degree, but I'm just like, if you're gonna do some logic, make it make sense as such or don't do it.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. There were some parts that made me laugh, like. Like the very first death made me chuckle a bit. Where Jack Frost comes back to life and explodes in a glass, what looks like a vivarium and it's. Well, a tank, actually. It explodes and then like the glass shard shoots through the guy's face.
That was pretty funny.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: Yeah, I thought that was. There's some good kills in this film.
I mean, I like when the spikes go in the floor and he's trying to. He's like shooting them down from the tree and he's trying to nail the woman with them and he keeps missing.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:08] Speaker B: And then he, like, just goes, ah, it. And drops an anvil of snow on her head. I think that made me chuckle. I do like the kills. I just think there's a lot of boring stuff between them. Yeah.
[00:07:23] Speaker A: One of the silliest things in this was at the beginning. Not right at the beginning, but when they. There's two guys on, like, a dinghy and they. And they're like, arguing over a carrot. Then they start trying to stab each other with the carrot, like it was a knife. And I was like, what the.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: I. They. They both do act, don't they? Like it. It's a deadly weapon and they're terrified of it.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: And it's just. That's the thing with this film. I think it tries too hard to be too d. I think the first one tried to be a decent horror film, but because it was lowbudget and a bit crap, it was funny.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: And that made it work. Whereas I think this one, they've intentionally tried to make a funny film and it fell on its head.
[00:08:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: Another. Another death that made me laugh was.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: The model when they're like, oh, turned the camera kind of thing, and she turns the camera and the hedge explodes.
Yeah, I like that.
Yeah.
[00:08:35] Speaker A: That did make me laugh.
[00:08:38] Speaker B: I mean, the things I don't like. I don't like that they took the central character and he's just a waste of time in this. Any. The sheriff guy.
[00:08:47] Speaker A: Yeah. He's so traumatized from the first film that he's kind of like, useless until. Right. The end.
[00:08:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: Where he saves the day.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: But up until then, he's, like, constantly freaking out.
Constantly.
[00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:08] Speaker A: I mean, I always starts off, though, with people with him being a psychiatrist and everyone's listening on the phone and they're just laughing at him as he's explaining this traumatic experience with a killer snowman. Even the psychiatrist is just laughing his face off at him.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: But I thought that was a wasted opportunity because.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: I'd have had Jack Frost go to them.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I was hoping that. Well, not hoping, but I was expecting them to get killed by Jack Frost as a kind of like, ha. See, you make fun and then you die.
[00:09:43] Speaker B: Because I'd have done that as how he knows where they are.
Yeah, I. I'd have had the psychiatrist say, I recommend you go on holiday. Here's a brochure. Blah, blah, blah.
And then he could have gone and killed all the receptionists and killed the guy and found a brochure and you'd have had, like, payoff.
[00:10:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I don't understand how Snowman supposedly they psychically linked because of the DNA.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: Some Barlock slagger.
[00:10:15] Speaker B: It's not a great film for explaining things.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: No, it's like, oh, it's the only way he knew he'd rehearsed because my DNA mixed with his and now we're the same person and it's like, what?
[00:10:26] Speaker A: No, they're the same person, but they share a bond.
Yeah, the same person. That doesn't. That makes even less sense.
[00:10:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:39] Speaker A: I think. I think the. The issue with this film for me was a lot of it was just boring. Like, they did have some funny moments, like cow. A Tonga dude.
Yeah, that did make me laugh. He ripped off the guy's head off from the tongue.
[00:10:57] Speaker B: I mean, I think the guy that does the Snowman voice, I don't know the actor's name because nobody in this is, like, famous enough for you to remember, but he does a good voice. And I think, you know, with the right material, you could have took the Jack Frost character and had like a.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: Like Chucky, you know?
[00:11:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: That kind of villain. Freddy Krueger, Chucky. Where you're like, we'll watch a film no matter how crap it is or how ropey some of it might be, because the central villains just so funny that he's enough.
Yeah, but.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: There'S hints of that here, but it's just. There's too much to drag through.
[00:11:43] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the thing. Jack Frost, like, while he's in the film, for the majority of it, you don't see his Snowman form for a while. Because for a while it's just a carrot going round and nothing else is happening.
Like, carrot is wiggling while he's talking. And I'm like, why is it just a carrot wiggling?
[00:12:03] Speaker A: Because, I mean, they tried to kill. Get the. The moon carrot.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: If you didn't want to show the snowman.
Humans are made up of what, 80 water or something?
[00:12:17] Speaker B: I'd have had him have like gone into a person somehow and like possessed them through becoming the water in their body and just had him walking around as a person. Because then you'd have saved on money and he could have done his quib one liners and killed people.
[00:12:34] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:12:35] Speaker B: The wiggling carrot moving along the ground A, at times looked like a penis and B.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: You know what's scary about a carrot?
[00:12:47] Speaker A: Nothing.
It was the carrot that kind of give the sheriff a hint that Jack Frost may be on the island.
Oh.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: When he knocks the old man out.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
He's like, wait, your carrots on your face. Yes. You didn't.
Fortunately for you, you didn't break it. And he's like, whose carrot was it? And they're like, not again.
Whatever the sheriff's name is.
[00:13:13] Speaker B: I think it's Sam or something in it, but it's.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: I think it was Sam.
[00:13:17] Speaker B: That old guy is so over the top in that, like, oh, you know, 12 people are dead, but we can say it's food poison. Oh, no, not food poisoning. Something else.
[00:13:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: Yeah. The murderous coconut shark.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: It's funny how his whole thing is just, how can I get my holiday result up and running again? Let's just push the bodies away and not think about it.
[00:13:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:44] Speaker B: When he says to that man and woman, forget all the blood you've seen and I'll pay for your bar tab or something on that in it. Are you. Oh, yeah, room service. That's it.
[00:13:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: And they're like, yeah, okay, fair enough.
[00:14:00] Speaker A: Terrible. But it does make you laugh.
[00:14:04] Speaker A: I think. That's the thing. I think, like, it. It does have some good comedy moments. But like the. The sheriff was kind of annoying throughout.
Everyone just constantly berating him for being worried about what happened. And everyone has moved on fine. Apart from him. Is also a little strange. Everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's fine.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:28] Speaker B: It doesn't really make his misses seem that understanding, does it? No, he's just like, oh, you were nearly killed by a mutant snowman. It's about time you got over it in it. We all have.
[00:14:37] Speaker A: Yeah. It's been a year. A year.
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Yeah. I Mean, I love that it's said multiple times in it. It's been a year. Why aren't you over it?
[00:14:47] Speaker B: Because it's a really weird, unnatural thing.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: And I can't get proper therapy because I just get laughed at.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: Exactly.
I'm assuming, oh, I can't remember his name. The agent that was in the first film. I'm sure there's a different. Is it a different guy who plays him?
Because one of them said, oh, he like, oh, he's changed or he's got coat or something like that. What do the women do? And I'm. I'm assuming maybe it was a different person in the first film playing the same character.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: I'll have a check.
In the first film, it's a guy called Stephen Mandel.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: Don't know his name. It's an agent, Agent something.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: Manhunt. Yeah, it's not that.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: Well, I can't see Stephen Mandel listed in the second film.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: So I do think, yeah, I think it's a different guy.
[00:15:47] Speaker A: He's wearing an eye patch and he. And he's like, hey, sheriff. He's like, how'd you know I'm a sheriff if you weren't there last year?
He's like, God damn it, I had to get that stupid snowman out of my head. And now you remind me of it. I don't like it.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: But yeah, I think Jack Frost 2 is a film where. I think. I think it's worth a watch for.
If you've seen the first one, watch the second one Just. Just for the hell of it. But generally speaking, it's a worse film than the first film. The first film wasn't exactly great, but there are some funny moments in this. Just generally speaking, it kind of seems lackluster.
The. The budget seems lower if you ask me, which the. It doesn't matter a lot of the time. Some really low budget films that are made. Look at Evil Dead. That's a really low budget.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: It feels like there's some inconsistencies with the budgeting because there's some effects in it that I don't think are bad. And then there's some that are appalling.
And it's like, did you film some decent ones, blow your budget and then scrimp through the rest, or.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Would make.
[00:17:05] Speaker A: Sense that they use mostly budget on certain things. And then I'd like to like scrimp and scrape to finish off other bits.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: But now I'd say that the first one is like an acceptable B movie horror that you watch. Because it's not a bad film.
Whereas this one's more like Troll 2 territory where you'd watch it because it's awful.
[00:17:33] Speaker A: Yeah. It's not as bad as Troll 2, though.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: Oh, no, no.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: I would say.
[00:17:43] Speaker B: Troll 2 is more consistently bad and that actually makes it less boring to watch.
[00:17:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:50] Speaker B: Even though it's a worse film.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I get you.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: Troll 2 is definitely a worse film, but because of how. How bad there is, it makes you laugh in this is just stupid, which this kind of does as well. Just not to the same extent. But I put this on and the missiles were like, that film was, why'd you make me watch it? And there's that a lot. She always like, oh, you always make much bad films. I'm like, I don't. I don't always make you watch bad films. We watch some very good films. And it's like, no, you always make much bad ones. I'm like, I really don'.
[00:18:27] Speaker A: Adamant that I only make her watch bad films. It's like, what's going on?
[00:18:33] Speaker A: How dare you.
[00:18:35] Speaker A: Then again, I have made her watch some bad films. They're not all bad.
[00:18:41] Speaker A: Even now, saying they are not.
[00:18:44] Speaker B: Well, at least it's miles above Cocaine Shark.
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think we're going to watch anything worse than that.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: No. I mean that Feeders was pretty bad, but I still think it was better than Cocaine Shark.
[00:18:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think the problem with.
[00:19:03] Speaker A: Cane Shark is for me, like the first, like, first little bit of. I was like finding it kind of funny and then I just got so bored and it was kind of the same with this, like the first, like half hour or so, I was like, yes, it's quite funny. Maybe a bit longer.
And then like I said, by the time the Snowball Babies popped up, I was like this. I'm just so bored now. I think the end should have been there.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: Did you see the bit right at the end credits with the Japanese salesman or.
[00:19:36] Speaker A: I did, yeah. Jackzilla.
Yeah.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: Yeah. I was. I was thinking and I wonder if they made a third one. But I don't think they did.
[00:19:45] Speaker B: No, I don't think they did. They obviously either a teasing it or contemplate in it, but.
[00:19:53] Speaker B: No, I think two's enough.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I think one was enough.
Well, yeah, yeah, I'm sure the guy who does the voice for Jack Frost, I'm sure I recognize him. He's the same person from the first film.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it is the same voice.
[00:20:14] Speaker A: But I'm sure I've seen him in a Few things.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: Apparently he's got 20. Oh, no, 83 acting credits, so.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
Oh, he's in the video game Matthew 3.
[00:20:32] Speaker B: Star wars, the Old Republic, Shadow of Revan.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: La Noir.
[00:20:39] Speaker A: Using a Feywalker games.
[00:20:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:44] Speaker B: Oh, he's in the Thor video game.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Final Fantasy xi.
I hate the whole numeral thing. Prototype Bionic Commando, Dead Space Two, Human Time Shift. He's done a lot. Marvel Ultimo Alliances, Nick Fury. He's done a lot of video games.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: That's bad.
[00:21:12] Speaker B: He was even in an episode of Star Trek Enterprise. So he's been in Star Trek.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: In.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: A killer snowman and the Star Trek character.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: Not bad.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: No. I mean, that's a heck of a step up from Jack Frost, too.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I would agree with that.
But, yeah, I think that's gonna be us.
Anything you would like to say about this film? Would you recommend it? Would you not?
[00:21:43] Speaker B: I still think that despite it being crap, there's some good kills in it that are worth watching and.
[00:21:55] Speaker B: You could probably cut it down to about 30 minutes of watchable footage.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I would say this similar. I said there's some good kills in there. There are some funny moments. They genuinely are, but, like.
[00:22:13] Speaker A: They spread out. I think the film should have been. I don't think.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: The snowball thing should have happened. Was just kind of pointless. I think they just wanted to change it up. Maybe go with the Gremlins or as you said.
[00:22:28] Speaker A: What are the other film. I forgot the name of it now.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:22:32] Speaker A: Or Critters or something like that. But I think. I think they should have either had Jack Frost pop in earlier and do the snowball thing earlier, and then Jack Frost is either dead or comes back at the very end. Or they should have just left the snowballs out, but otherwise it was okay. It got a couple of laughs out of me. And this is the boobies in there, which are always nice.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: But.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's gonna be us.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Another shorter one. But, you know, we go for as long as we go. That's how it is nowadays. No point trying to force out extra stuff because then people be like, yeah, they got nothing else to say. And then you're just repeating yourself.
[00:23:14] Speaker B: So.
[00:23:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Also, special effects were mostly bad, but some of them were fun.
Yeah.
And I still like the camera head explosion where the woman's like. Well, at the camera.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
Yeah. Okay, then. Thank you very much for taking part, as always. Is a very good. A very good pleasure. It is a massive pleasure. Thank you very much.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: Thank you very much for having me.
[00:23:40] Speaker A: No problem at all for everyone listening. Bye. Bye.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: Bye.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Is they out there?
Help.
[00:24:01] Speaker C: Yeah, dude, what's up?
[00:24:04] Speaker A: My tongue stuck, man.
[00:24:06] Speaker C: Oh, bummer. Let me help you.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: Oh, thanks, dude.
[00:24:12] Speaker C: Now, this might sting a bit, bro.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Bullflo, man.
[00:24:17] Speaker C: Cowa Tonga, dude.
